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"Libertarian" Space Enthusiasts

David Davenport puts up a whiny, snarky strawman of an argument in the comments section of this post.

...so-called Libertarians contradict themselves when they ask for the gu'ment to get out of the way ... except to put up the money.

This reminds me of a teenager announcing his independence, and then asking for $20 and a car for Friday night.

Mr. Simberg, why don't you write a column asking Bll Gates or Warren Buffet or suchlike to pay for your beloved X Prize, instead of Sugar Daddy, Uncle Sam?

Because such a column would have zero impact on any of those people. I can, however, influence government policy.

But I find this commentary quite amusing. As a libertarian, I'd be perfectly happy to see the government stop spending money on the manned spaceflight program. The problem is, the government persists in spending about five or six billion a year on it. All I'm asking is that they spend it more intelligently than continuing to hand out cost-plus contracts to a couple big contractors.

If you want to delude yourself that we don't currently have a space industrial policy, David, go ahead.

As I said, I'd be happy to see all of the government funding go away, but as long as they insist on spending it, I don't think that it's unreasonable, or even particularly "libertarian," to want to see more manned spaceflight for my (and the other taxpayers') dollars. Prizes would almost certainly be a more effective means of achieving this than the current process.

The argument for protectionism on national defense grounds? Once can make the same argument for government subsidies such as X Prizes for atmospheric aircraft or shipbuilding or steel production.

And we get them. For example, look up the Civil Reserve Air Fleet. Not to mention the fact that the few American shipyards that remain in business do so via government contracts.

If private private private enterprise can DO IT in space, why doesn't free free free private enterprise go ahead and do it and quit whining for the government to put up an X Prize?

It is. But it would happen even faster if the government wasn't misspending so much money, falsely demonstrating that it can't be done more cost effectively.

Posted by Rand Simberg at October 30, 2003 08:37 AM
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There is also, as you have ably pointed out, the non-trivial effect of ambiguous regulatory policy on investment.

Posted by Jay Manifold at October 30, 2003 12:50 PM

There has been discussion of a government reward *LIKE* an expanded x-prize, but it should be pointed out that the x-prize *IS* privately funded. Also, Jeff Bezos (Amazon) is paying for "Blue Origin," it is strongly rumored that Paul Allen (Microsoft) is funding Scaled Composites, the new Heinlein foundation prize is specifically designated to promote private space efforts, and there are a number of big names involved in other private space efforts.

There's also no question that NASA did a great deal to shoot down past private space efforts. Up until Challenger, they heavily subsidized sat. launches. Bureaucracy in general has stymied several efforts. Getting permission to launch in the U.S. has been nearly impossible, but companies that got fed up and tried to move elsewhere would be accused of being evil weapons makers. Given that rocket development is expensive, and doesn't pay off until there is working hardware, it doesn't usually take long for a company to be forced into bankruptcy.

It looks like things may be changing somewhat now. It is very possible that private effort WILL be the real key to space.

Posted by VR at October 30, 2003 04:55 PM

In my opinion, you're more likely to get NASA funding reduced than to get the government to reallocate funds from NASA to a private enterprise incentive structure. There is just too much loss of political and bureaucratic control with an incentive structure, so your typical power-concious government person would rather not fund such a program. Thus, the 'more pure' libertarian approach of just trying to get the government out of the space business is likely to be more effective.

Posted by Hermit Dave at October 30, 2003 07:03 PM

"As a libertarian, I'd be perfectly happy to see the government stop spending money on the manned spaceflight program. The problem is, the government persists in spending about five or six billion a year on it. All I'm asking is that they spend it more intelligently..."

Well said and very close to my own view. I wish I thought to say it this way when a while back someone essentially accused me of being a socialist (perhaps it was communist) because I'd like to see us focus on a doable and worthwhile goal rather than the waste of effort we see today.

The really fortunate thing is that ultimately NASA has to go before congress to get it's funding and they are beginning to listen to the many voices like yours that say we need to kill this white elephant and move in a more enterprising way.

I'm very hopeful and optimistic about seeing some improvement even though I acknowedge the forces that would like to keep us going nowhere.

Posted by ken anthony at October 31, 2003 05:20 AM

[ ... The really fortunate thing is that ultimately NASA has to go before congress to get it's funding and they are beginning to listen to the many voices like yours that say we need to kill this white elephant and move in a more enterprising way ... ]

You guys assume that the choice is either NASA or private private private enterprise.

Intra-government competition is also possible. It could be that DARPA is contemplating a two-stage, horizontal take-off launch vehicle.

Col. Rutan is not Howard Roark. Col. Rutan's is hooked up with the DoD in more ways than Libertarians want to think about. He's angling for a DARPA contract.

Abolish NASA? Good idea. Let's let the USAF have a try at the manned space launch biz.

Posted by David Davenport at November 3, 2003 11:50 AM


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